Just from my experience, 11pm-12:30pm is probably the best window for opening sets. Before 11, its too early and people are still getting in the club, moving around, and finding their friends. Its rather hard because there are so many moving sets. A lot of times they are checking out the club or getting a drink and its hard to hook a set with a super short time window...
This topic has been debated probably hundreds of times and its DIRECT vs. INDIRECT. If you know a bit of history, most of early pickup stuff was predominantly Indirect. In a few years following, there was a surge in popularity for Direct Game. You probably know the arguments for both.
- More risk, more reward
- More authentic
- Faster escalation
- Saves time
- You can’t do direct game in social circle because it will make you a weirdo
- You can’t do direct game in work settings or certain situations that would make it inappropriate
- Direct game doesn’t work on HB10’s and the really hot girls because they been hit on so many times.
I think its stupid when people fight over which is better. There is no such thing. Ultimately what is better depends on your current skill level and also your sticking points. Generally speaking, most beginners have issues with flirting, showing intent, and putting themselves on the line. Its a common sticking point for most beginners. Direct game is hands down the best way to start for complete beginners. It helps fix a lot of initial issues most beginners face and also, direct openers gives you harsher blowouts. The harder the blowout, the faster you numb yourself, and the quicker you can get out of your head, and the faster your approach anxiety fades. Eating rejections is the path to getting better. Beginners who start out indirect tend to learn it incorrectly. The girls can sense that they want something else and therefore the girls get the creepy vibe… when they feel someone has a different intention than they are projecting. Furthermore, guys who start learning pickup with indirect have a very hard time transitioning from platonic to sexual. This is why so many early guys in The Game did indirect for up to 18 months before they finally started getting lays (don’t quote me I heard this from other people).
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On the flip side, if you been going out for a long time and you get results and all you do is direct sexual openers and you are blatantly pissing off 95% of the girls by clawing, picking up, and doing the hand of god to every person in the club…you should start practicing indirect!
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Obviously, you should learn both and ultimately, pickup is a numbers game. If you’re in Vegas and all you’re doing is trying to get laid, then sure, go ahead and screen hard for the girls who want sex, go direct, and escalate hard. But I will tell you this… its not going to work on every girl… especially if shes not attracted to you. Direct openers will almost immediately blow you out if shes not feeling it or if shes a really hot bitchy girl. If someone put a gun to your head and told you that you had one shot to approach and get that girl, your best best is to open indirect.